"Although statins are known to reduce the risk of stroke by as much as 25%,38 benefits are undermined by suboptimal adherence. In a previous examination on patient perspectives around statin therapy, compliance with statins was associated with information provided during the practitioner consultation as well as the beliefs about cholesterol and current health status"
'As much as 25%'
The reference you give is to this paper:
Afilalo J , Duque G , Steele R , et al . Statins for secondary prevention in elderly patients: a hierarchical bayesian meta-analysis. J Am Coll Cardiol 2008;51:37–45.doi:10.1016/j.jacc.2007.06.063 FREE Full TextGoogle Scholar
The paper very clearly refers to RELATIVE RISK REDUCTION.
By stating 25% and NOT saying it is RRR you create a scare story for newspapers which creates stress for stroke survivors plus you mislead the public who think that by taking statins their risk of stroke falls by 25% which is simply not true.
Did you do so wilfully to fit a pharma-dictated criteria or were you just negligent?
We read with great interest the longitudinal study by Xie et al on the Risk of death among users of Proton Pump Inhibitors (PPI) (1). The study findings suggest that there is an overall increased risk of death among PPI users when compared with histamine H2 receptor antagonists (H2 blockers) users and people who are not on either medication. We also acknowledge the efforts of the authors to statistically eliminate potential bias associated with an observational study design like this. However, we would like to highlight a few points which we believe should be considered when interpreting the results of the study.
The authors externally adjusted for the use of other therapeutics including anticoagulants, antiplatelet agents, and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs as potential confounders. However, it is not clear if Selective Serotonin Receptor Inhibitors (SSRIs) used in the treatment of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) were considered and adjusted for. The Veteran population which forms the data set for this study has a higher prevalence of PTSD than the general population and is often prescribed SSRIs (2). The SSRIs are metabolized by the cytochrome P-450 isoenzyme CYP2C19, which is inhibited by the proton pump inhibitors (PPIs) leading to significantly higher levels of SSRIs in the body and potential risk of increased adverse effects (3). Some of the adverse effects of SSRIs including suicide risk could significantly contribute to mortality in the popu...
We read with great interest the longitudinal study by Xie et al on the Risk of death among users of Proton Pump Inhibitors (PPI) (1). The study findings suggest that there is an overall increased risk of death among PPI users when compared with histamine H2 receptor antagonists (H2 blockers) users and people who are not on either medication. We also acknowledge the efforts of the authors to statistically eliminate potential bias associated with an observational study design like this. However, we would like to highlight a few points which we believe should be considered when interpreting the results of the study.
The authors externally adjusted for the use of other therapeutics including anticoagulants, antiplatelet agents, and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs as potential confounders. However, it is not clear if Selective Serotonin Receptor Inhibitors (SSRIs) used in the treatment of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) were considered and adjusted for. The Veteran population which forms the data set for this study has a higher prevalence of PTSD than the general population and is often prescribed SSRIs (2). The SSRIs are metabolized by the cytochrome P-450 isoenzyme CYP2C19, which is inhibited by the proton pump inhibitors (PPIs) leading to significantly higher levels of SSRIs in the body and potential risk of increased adverse effects (3). Some of the adverse effects of SSRIs including suicide risk could significantly contribute to mortality in the population studied, especially in the presence of co-morbidities like cardiovascular diseases.
Though the study demonstrated a linear graded association between duration of PPI exposure and risk of death among new users, we believe the gradient effect cannot be effectively ascertained without analyzing the dose of PPIs that was actually taken by the study subjects. The study cohort consists mostly of the elderly, and evidence has shown increased risk of accidental prescription drug abuse and overdose in this population (4 - 6). PPIs, just like every other medication, if used above the intended dose could cause deleterious adverse effects. Therefore, without the data on the dose of PPI among users, it might be inaccurate to associate duration of use in isolation with increased risk of mortality.
As expected of an observational study, it is difficult to validate cause and effect. The cause of death in the study population is not known and the mortality noted could possibly be secondary to underlying medical conditions and not necessarily treatment with PPIs. Figure 1 from the study analysis showed that an estimated 10% of the population on PPIs died within 1 year (1). As the authors mentioned, the biologic mechanism behind the observed mortality risk from PPI use is not clear. Nevertheless, one would expect the latency period between PPI exposure and any mortality risk to be more than 1 year. Again, this strongly suggests the deaths may not entirely be linked to treatment with PPI as there could be a significant contribution from underlying medical problems.
The study analysis suggests an increased mortality risk with PPI use compared with H2 blocker use. However, the severity of medical conditions in the H2 blocker and PPI groups was not accounted for. Taking cardiovascular disease, for instance, the authors controlled for the presence of heart disease in both groups and not severity. It is quite possible that people with mild heart disease could have been prescribed an H2-blocker while people with severe heart disease were put on a PPI. This would create a bias towards an increased risk of mortality in the PPI group which is not related to use as suggested by the researchers.
Overall, we appreciate the authors for a well-conducted research. In light of evidence from other studies linking PPI use to a host of medical problems, findings from this study further emphasize the need for judicious use of PPI. Healthcare providers should regularly review prescriptions with patients and constantly provide education on the risks of continued use of medications without any clinical indication. Lastly, more studies should be conducted on the risk of PPIs using a database that is more representative of the general population to enable generalizability of study findings.
References
1. Xie Y, Bowe B, Li T, Xian H, Yan Y, Al-aly Z. Risk of death among users of Proton Pump Inhibitors : a longitudinal observational cohort study of United States veterans. 2017;1–12.
2. Alexander W. Pharmacotherapy for Post-traumatic Stress Disorder In Combat Veterans: Focus on Antidepressants and Atypical Antipsychotic Agents. P T. 2012;37(1):32–8.
3. Gjestad C, Westin AA, Skogvoll E, Spigset O. Effect of proton pump inhibitors on the serum concentrations of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors citalopram, escitalopram, and sertraline. Ther Drug Monit. 2015;37(1):90–7.
4. Hernandez SH, Nelson LS. Prescription Drug Abuse: Insight Into the Epidemic. Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2010;88(3):307–17.
5. Seniors and Prescription Drug Addiction by AgingCare( 04/17/12, http://www.agingcare.com/Articles/Seniors-and-Prescription-Drug-Addictio...)
6. Elderly at Risk for Prescription Drug Abuse by The Partnership at DrugFree.org( 04/17/12, http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/addiction/elderly-at-risk-for-pres...)
Yoshida et al. (1), comparing the PCAM with the INTERMED for the prediction of hospital length of stay (LOS), state (i) that the INTERMED “can be applied only to the secondary care setting” and (ii) is “relatively impractical” due to the length of the interview, and consider (iii) that the PCAM – with its “fewer items and simpler questions” – has “the potential to substitute for INTERMED”.
First, the INTERMED has been and is utilised in the tertiary (2), secondary (3) and primary care setting (4). Second, assessing case complexity may need some time and a certain number of questions; the questions raised with the INTERMED have been validated by patients as being relevant (5) and the interview as having a positive effect (6). If physicians’ time is the issue: the INTERMED has been demonstrated good inter-rater reliability across medical professions (7) and is utilised in some settings by nurses (3). In addition, a self-assessment version of the INTERMED (the IMSA), reducing the length of the interview, has been validated in a recent multi-centred study (8). Third, when comparing the INTERMED with other instruments assessing case complexity, not only prediction of LOS has to be taken into account. The INTERMED provides a thorough biopsychosocial case complexity assessment (9); it has – unlike the PCAM, as acknowledged by the authors – been proven to be valid across various clinical settings (10) and to predict, in these settings, psychosocial, medical and health care...
Yoshida et al. (1), comparing the PCAM with the INTERMED for the prediction of hospital length of stay (LOS), state (i) that the INTERMED “can be applied only to the secondary care setting” and (ii) is “relatively impractical” due to the length of the interview, and consider (iii) that the PCAM – with its “fewer items and simpler questions” – has “the potential to substitute for INTERMED”.
First, the INTERMED has been and is utilised in the tertiary (2), secondary (3) and primary care setting (4). Second, assessing case complexity may need some time and a certain number of questions; the questions raised with the INTERMED have been validated by patients as being relevant (5) and the interview as having a positive effect (6). If physicians’ time is the issue: the INTERMED has been demonstrated good inter-rater reliability across medical professions (7) and is utilised in some settings by nurses (3). In addition, a self-assessment version of the INTERMED (the IMSA), reducing the length of the interview, has been validated in a recent multi-centred study (8). Third, when comparing the INTERMED with other instruments assessing case complexity, not only prediction of LOS has to be taken into account. The INTERMED provides a thorough biopsychosocial case complexity assessment (9); it has – unlike the PCAM, as acknowledged by the authors – been proven to be valid across various clinical settings (10) and to predict, in these settings, psychosocial, medical and health care related outcomes (and not only LOS) (11). Moreover, when used as a tool to target early psychosocial interventions, the INTERMED was found to have a positive impact on such outcomes (2). Finally, the INTERMED is used in many European countries (8) and in different cultures (12). The authors’ statement that the “PCAM has the potential to substitute for INTERMED” is thus not supported by any evidence.
References
1. Yoshida S, Matsushima M, Wakabayashi H, et al. Validity and reliability of the Patient Centred Assessment Method for patient complexity and relationship with hospital length of stay: a prospective cohort study. BMJ Open 2017;7:e016175. Doi:10.1136/bmjopen-2017-016175.
2. Stiefel FC, Zdrojewski C, Bel Hadj F, et al. Effects of a Multifaceted Psychiatric Intervention Targeted for the Complex Medically ill: a Randomized Controlled Trial. Psychother Psychosom 2008; 77: 247-56 2008;77:247-256.
3. Luthi F, Stiefel F, Gobelet Ch, Rivier G, Deriaz O. Rehabilitation outcomes for orthopaedic trauma individuals as measured by the INTERMED. Dis Rehab 2011; 33: 2544-52.
4. www.intermedconsortium.com
5. Guitteny-Collas M, Vanelle J.M, Bydlowski S, et al. Assessment of case complexity by means of the INTERMED: The users’point of view. 25th European Congress on Psychosomatic Research, Berlin 2004.
6. Fischer CJ, Stiefel F, de Jonge et al. Case complexity and clinical outcome in diabetes mellitus: A prospective study using the INTERMED. Diabetes Metabol 2000; 26: 295-300.
7. Huyse FJ, Lyons J, Stiefel F, et al. INTERMED: A method to assess health service needs: I. Development and first results on its reliability. Gen Hosp Psychiat 1999; 21: 39-48.
8. Reedt Dortland A, van Peters L, Boenink A, et al. Assessment of biopsychosocial complexity and health care needs: measurement properties of the INTERMED self-assessment version (IMSA). Psychosom Med 2017; 79(4): 485-92.
9. de Jonge P, Huyse FJ, Slaets JPJ, et al. Operationalization of biopsychosocial case complexity in general health care: the INTERMED project. Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry 2005; 39: 795-799.
10. Stiefel F, de Jonge P, Huyse F et al. INTERMED: A method to assess health service needs: II. Results on its validity and clinical use. Gen Hosp Psychiat 1999; 21: 49-56.
11. De Jonge P, Stiefel F. Internal consistency of the INTERMED in patients with somatic diseases. J Psychosom Res 2003; 54:497-499.
12. Kishi Y, Matsuki M. Mizushima H, et al. The INTERMED Japanese version: inter-rater reliability and internal consistency. J Psychosom Res 2010;69: 583-586.
We thank Drs Burt, Rasminsky, Andrade, and Barros for their letters on our study published in BMJ Open in January 2017.1 We agree with them that our baseline prevalence of major malformations in the Quebec Pregnancy Cohort (QPC) is higher than the reported 3-5%. Bérard et Sheehy2 have described the QPC, and have presented baseline statistics showing that the baseline prevalence of major malformations in Quebec was 9.3%. We have disclosed that already in our Discussion section – ‘Our major congenital malformation population prevalence may seem somewhat higher than the routinely reported 3-5%, but in fact our rate is consistent with what is expected in the province of Quebec, due to high concentration of genetic risk factors stemming from the ‘founding’ French ancestors.’1,3 It is true that we are referencing another of our studies to highlight the Founders’ effect. Indeed, Zhao et al.3 have shown that the prevalence of major malformations in the province of Quebec vary by geographical regions, and are higher in the regions where the founding French ancestors first inhabited. This is a well know fact and is representative of specific genetic traits of those founding fathers. Again, this was well discussed and represented in Zhao et al.,3 and it is why we are referencing this study in Bérard et al.1 Bérard et al.1 further showed that the prevalence of major malformations among those with depression during pregnancy was even higher (greater than 11%). Howev...
We thank Drs Burt, Rasminsky, Andrade, and Barros for their letters on our study published in BMJ Open in January 2017.1 We agree with them that our baseline prevalence of major malformations in the Quebec Pregnancy Cohort (QPC) is higher than the reported 3-5%. Bérard et Sheehy2 have described the QPC, and have presented baseline statistics showing that the baseline prevalence of major malformations in Quebec was 9.3%. We have disclosed that already in our Discussion section – ‘Our major congenital malformation population prevalence may seem somewhat higher than the routinely reported 3-5%, but in fact our rate is consistent with what is expected in the province of Quebec, due to high concentration of genetic risk factors stemming from the ‘founding’ French ancestors.’1,3 It is true that we are referencing another of our studies to highlight the Founders’ effect. Indeed, Zhao et al.3 have shown that the prevalence of major malformations in the province of Quebec vary by geographical regions, and are higher in the regions where the founding French ancestors first inhabited. This is a well know fact and is representative of specific genetic traits of those founding fathers. Again, this was well discussed and represented in Zhao et al.,3 and it is why we are referencing this study in Bérard et al.1 Bérard et al.1 further showed that the prevalence of major malformations among those with depression during pregnancy was even higher (greater than 11%). However, we do not believe that this higher prevalence of major malformations biased our findings. Indeed, we have already mentioned this in our Discussion section – ‘Nevertheless, given that the baseline rate of major congenital malformations is similarly higher in those taking antidepressants vs non-users in our study, it has no impact on the internal validity of our study because it cancels out when comparing the exposed and unexposed groups.’
Finally, we have studied depressed pregnant women, some of which were treated with antidepressants. This was done to take into account indication bias per design as was explained, hence increasing internal validity. We have further discussed external validity in our Discussion section – ‘as we considered pregnant women insured by the prescription drug insurance program, generalizability of results to those insured by private drug insurance could be affected. However, validation studies have shown that pregnant women receiving medication insurance from Quebec’s public system have similar characteristics and co-morbidities to those who have private medication insurance. Although socio-economic status (SES) might differ between the two groups, it does not affect internal validity given that all have similar SES status. Similarly, although the study population slightly differed from pregnancies not meeting eligibility criteria in terms of SES, this does not affect interval validity.’1,4
1. Bérard A, Zhao JP, Sheehy O. Antidepressant use during pregnancy and the risk of major congenital malformations in a cohort of depressed pregnant women: an updated analysis of the Quebec Pregnancy Cohort. BMJ Open. 2017 Jan 12;7(1):e013372.
2. Bérard A, Sheehy O. The Quebec Pregnancy Cohort--prevalence of medication use during gestation and pregnancy outcomes. PLoS One. 2014 Apr 4;9(4):e93870.
3. Zhao JP, Sheehy O, Bérard A. Regional variations in the prevalence of major congenital malformations in Quebec: The importance of fetal growth environment. J Popul Ther Clin Pharmacol. 2015;22(3):e198-210.
4. Bérard A, Lacasse A. Validity of perinatal pharmacoepidemiologic studies using data from the RAMQ administrative database. Can J Clin Pharmacol. 2009 Summer;16(2):e360-9.
We have read the article by Ooba N et al with interest. The authors have conducted a retrospective cohort study to assess the risk of new-onset diabetes associated with lipid-lowering drugs in Japanese population.
Authors have excluded patients with diabetes characterized by HbA1c ≥6.5% or fasting blood glucose ≥126 mg/dL. However, in Table 1 (Baseline characteristics), patients are not categorized based on their HbA1c or blood sugar fasting levels as pre-diabetic (HbA1C between 5.7 to 6.4) or normoglycemic. It is important to note that the risk of new-onset diabetes among lipid-lowering users is particularly high in pre-diabetic patients (1) and hence, authors should have categorized the patients as either pre-diabetic or normoglycemic. Looking at the mean HbA1c not more than 5.2% in various groups (Table 1), it appears that the number of patients with pre-diabetes were not high. This finding of normoglycemics converting rapidly into diabetes in a mean duration of 4 to 5 months of statin use points to the gravity of the problem of statin associated diabetes which will have huge implication in clinical practice, wherein a short exposure to statins (4 to 5 months) can have the risk of shifting glucose homeostasis towards diabetes. Unlike other previous studies, wherein pitavastatin use was not associated with adverse effects on glycemic control (2, 3, 4), in this study, the risk of new-onset diabetes was highest with pitavastatin (HR-3.11). Authors should comment o...
We have read the article by Ooba N et al with interest. The authors have conducted a retrospective cohort study to assess the risk of new-onset diabetes associated with lipid-lowering drugs in Japanese population.
Authors have excluded patients with diabetes characterized by HbA1c ≥6.5% or fasting blood glucose ≥126 mg/dL. However, in Table 1 (Baseline characteristics), patients are not categorized based on their HbA1c or blood sugar fasting levels as pre-diabetic (HbA1C between 5.7 to 6.4) or normoglycemic. It is important to note that the risk of new-onset diabetes among lipid-lowering users is particularly high in pre-diabetic patients (1) and hence, authors should have categorized the patients as either pre-diabetic or normoglycemic. Looking at the mean HbA1c not more than 5.2% in various groups (Table 1), it appears that the number of patients with pre-diabetes were not high. This finding of normoglycemics converting rapidly into diabetes in a mean duration of 4 to 5 months of statin use points to the gravity of the problem of statin associated diabetes which will have huge implication in clinical practice, wherein a short exposure to statins (4 to 5 months) can have the risk of shifting glucose homeostasis towards diabetes. Unlike other previous studies, wherein pitavastatin use was not associated with adverse effects on glycemic control (2, 3, 4), in this study, the risk of new-onset diabetes was highest with pitavastatin (HR-3.11). Authors should comment on this observation.
Various researchers have reported that statin therapy was associated with increased risk of developing diabetes with incidence ranging from as low as 9% (5) to as high as 46% (6). In our study, ‘Efficacy and safety of fixed dose combination of atorvastatin and hydroxychloroquine: a randomized, double blind comparison with atorvastatin alone among Indian patients with dyslipidemia’, we compared the efficacy and safety of atorvastatin (10 mg)+hydroxychloroquine (200 mg) fixed-dose combination tablets in comparison with atorvastatin (10 mg) alone in treatment of dyslipidaemia for 24 Weeks and found in exploratory analysis that 15% patients with prediabetic dyslipidaemia from the monotherapy group and 2% from the combination group developed diabetes at Week 24 (7) . Various observational studies in rheumatoid arthritis (8, 9) and systemic lupus erythematosus (10) patients have also demonstrated the reduced risk of new-onset diabetes with concomitant use of hydroxychloroquine. Hence, it is important to assess the risk of new-onset diabetes with statin use in pre-diabetic and normoglycemic patient population separately. In the light of the above, we request the authors to explore the possibility of relooking into the data.
1 Kei A, Rizos E, Elisaf M. Statin use in prediabetic patients: rationale and results to date. Ther Adv Chronic Dis. 2015 Sep; 6(5): 246–251
2 Barrios F, Escobar C. Clinical benefits of pitavastatin: focus on patients with diabetes or at risk of developing diabetes. Future Cardiol. 2016 Jul;12(4):449-66
3 Huang C, Huang Y, Hsu BR. Pitavastatin improves glycated hemoglobin in patients with poorly controlled type 2 diabetes. J Diabetes Investig. 2016; 7: 769–776.
4 Mita T, Nakayama S, Abe H, et al. Comparison of effects of pitavastatin and atorvastatin on glucose metabolism in type 2 diabetic patients with hypercholesterolemia. J Diabetes Investig. 2013 May 6; 4(3): 297–303.
5 Sattar N, Preiss D, Murray H, et al. Statins and risk of incident diabetes: a collaborative meta-analysis of randomised statin trials. The Lancet 2010; 375: 735-742
6 Cederberg H, Stancakova A, Yaluri N et al. Increased risk of diabetes with statin treatment is associated with impaired insulin sensitivity and insulin secretion: a 6 year follow-up study of the METSIM cohort. Diabetologia 2015; 58:1109–1117
7 Pareek A, Chandurkar N, Thulaseedharan NK, et al. Efficacy and safety of fixed dose combination of atorvastatin and hydroxychloroquine: a randomized, double-blind comparison with atorvastatin alone among Indian patients with dyslipidemia. CMRO 2015;31:2105–17
8 Bili A, Sartorius JA, Kirchner HL, et al. Hydroxychloroquine use and decreased risk of diabetes in rheumatoid arthritis patients. J Clin Rheumatol 2011;7:115–20.
9 Wasko MC, Hubert HB, Lingala VB, et al. Hydroxychloroquine and risk of diabetes in patients with rheumatoid arthritis. JAMA 2007;298:187–93
10 Chen YM, Lin CH, Lan TH, et al. Hydroxychloroquine reduces risk of incident diabetes mellitus in lupus patients in a dose-dependent manner: a population-based cohort study. Rheumatology (Oxford) 2015;54:1244–9.
We acknowledge of course that the pharmaceutical industry produces many medicines that are an important part of healthcare. However, inappropriate use and overuse of medicines is detrimental to health, and use of an unnecessarily expensive medicine that is no better than a cheaper alternative represents wasteful health care spending.
Although Mr. Catelin states “It’s ludicrous to suggest that a sandwich and a soda water would sway the opinions of medical practitioners”, the evidence shows otherwise. Among the studies that have examined the relationship between exposure to pharmaceutical industry information or payments and the quality, quantity and cost of prescribing, there is an overwhelming finding of no benefit. (1-4) Pharmaceutical industry payments, even small payments such as a meal, are associated with increased prescriptions of the promoted drug. One US study found a “dose-response effect” on prescribing of cholesterol-lowering drugs, blood pressure drugs and antidepressants, starting with even a single meal costing less than US $20: the more free meals a doctor ate, the more likely they were to prescribe the promoted drug. (2) Another study found that the more payments a doctor received from the industry, the more likely they were to prescribe expensive brand-name drugs rather than less expensive generic equivalents. (4)
The aim of our study was neither to undermine patients’ confidence nor to call health professionals into disrepute. The aim was...
We acknowledge of course that the pharmaceutical industry produces many medicines that are an important part of healthcare. However, inappropriate use and overuse of medicines is detrimental to health, and use of an unnecessarily expensive medicine that is no better than a cheaper alternative represents wasteful health care spending.
Although Mr. Catelin states “It’s ludicrous to suggest that a sandwich and a soda water would sway the opinions of medical practitioners”, the evidence shows otherwise. Among the studies that have examined the relationship between exposure to pharmaceutical industry information or payments and the quality, quantity and cost of prescribing, there is an overwhelming finding of no benefit. (1-4) Pharmaceutical industry payments, even small payments such as a meal, are associated with increased prescriptions of the promoted drug. One US study found a “dose-response effect” on prescribing of cholesterol-lowering drugs, blood pressure drugs and antidepressants, starting with even a single meal costing less than US $20: the more free meals a doctor ate, the more likely they were to prescribe the promoted drug. (2) Another study found that the more payments a doctor received from the industry, the more likely they were to prescribe expensive brand-name drugs rather than less expensive generic equivalents. (4)
The aim of our study was neither to undermine patients’ confidence nor to call health professionals into disrepute. The aim was to provide public access to information on the extent of industry funding of professionals in Australia, and to stimulate an informed discussion on how to ensure that patients and clinicians base decisions on the best available evidence from independent sources.
Finally, following the lead of other countries such as the US and France, we recommend that Medicines Australia report all payments to health professionals, including food and beverages of nominal value.
We appreciate the opportunity to continue the discussion on these topics.
Alice Fabbri, Quinn Grundy, Barbara Mintzes, Swestika Swandari, Ray Moynihan, Emily Walkom, Lisa Bero
References:
1. Yeh JS, Franklin JM, Avorn J, et al. Association of Industry Payments to Physicians With the Prescribing of Brand-name Statins in Massachusetts. JAMA Intern Med 2016;176(6):763-8.
2. DeJong C, Aguilar T, Tseng C, et al. Pharmaceutical Industry-Sponsored Meals and Physician Prescribing Patterns for Medicare Beneficiaries. JAMA Intern Med 2016;176(8):1114-10.
3. Spurling G, Mansfield P, Montgomery BD, et al. Information from pharmaceutical companies and the quality, quantity, and cost of physicians' prescribing: a systematic review. PLoS Med 2010;7(10):e1000352.
4. Ornstein C, Grochowski R, Tigas M. Now There’s Proof: Docs Who Get Company Cash Tend to Prescribe More Brand-Name Meds. Pro Publica: March 17, 2016. Available at: https://www.propublica.org/article/doctors-who-take-company-cash-tend-to.... Accessed July 7, 2017.
We have read the article, “Systematic review of systematic reviews of non-pharmacological interventions to treat behavioral disturbances in older patients with dementia. The SENATOR-OnTop series” by Abraha et al. published in BMJ Open in March 2017 with a lot of interest. This systematic review study presents very important findings on the use of non-pharmacological interventions to treat behavioral disturbances in elderly dementia population.
However, we have a specific concern about the database searched and relevant articles included in this systematic review of systematic reviews study. An important omission we found in this study was the systematic review by Kong et al.1 published in Aging & Mental Health Journal in July 2009. This systematic review and meta-analysis assessed the effectiveness of the nonpharmacological interventions for agitation in the older adults with dementia. It qualifies all the criteria for inclusion in the present study since it is published within the range of search duration (2009-2015 March) used in the present study. Furthermore, the present study has included the systematic reviews by Yu et al.2 published in March 2009 along with other systematic reviews such as Kverno et al.3 and Lai et al.4 published in the same year.
Also, the systematic review by Kong et al.1 assessed the effect on agitation (a type of behavioral disturbance) not assessed by many of the other systematic reviews included in the present study hence m...
We have read the article, “Systematic review of systematic reviews of non-pharmacological interventions to treat behavioral disturbances in older patients with dementia. The SENATOR-OnTop series” by Abraha et al. published in BMJ Open in March 2017 with a lot of interest. This systematic review study presents very important findings on the use of non-pharmacological interventions to treat behavioral disturbances in elderly dementia population.
However, we have a specific concern about the database searched and relevant articles included in this systematic review of systematic reviews study. An important omission we found in this study was the systematic review by Kong et al.1 published in Aging & Mental Health Journal in July 2009. This systematic review and meta-analysis assessed the effectiveness of the nonpharmacological interventions for agitation in the older adults with dementia. It qualifies all the criteria for inclusion in the present study since it is published within the range of search duration (2009-2015 March) used in the present study. Furthermore, the present study has included the systematic reviews by Yu et al.2 published in March 2009 along with other systematic reviews such as Kverno et al.3 and Lai et al.4 published in the same year.
Also, the systematic review by Kong et al.1 assessed the effect on agitation (a type of behavioral disturbance) not assessed by many of the other systematic reviews included in the present study hence making this systematic review even more important to include in the study to comprehensively shape the evidence around the research question.
Though the study provides the search strategy used to find the systematic reviews, it is still unclear to understand the reason for missing the inclusion of this important relevant systematic review in the present study. The study protocol mentioned MEDLINE, the Cochrane Library, CINAHL and PsychINFO as the database searched to retrieve the relevant systematic review. However, while performing the systematic review of systematic reviews we suggest searching the Epistemonikos database as well since it is a database which specifically provides access to systematic reviews in health.5 A preliminary search at the Epistemonikos database with the keywords from the search strategy easily retrieved the systematic review by Kong et al.1 along with others. Also, the PubMed’s inbuilt systematic review filter can be activated using the command systematic[sb] while searching for systematic reviews.6
Reference:
1. Kong EH, , Evans LK, Guevara JP. Nonpharmacological intervention for agitation in dementia: a systematic review and meta-analysis.Aging Ment Health. 2009;13(4):512-20.
2. Yu F , Rose KM, Burgener SC, Cunningham C, Buettner LL, Beattie E et al. Cognitive training for early-stage Alzheimer's disease and dementia.J Gerontol Nurs. 2009;35(3):23-9.
3. Kverno KS , Black BS, Nolan MT, Rabins PV Research on treating neuropsychiatric symptoms of advanced dementia with non-pharmacological strategies, 1998-2008: a systematic literature review.Int Psychogeriatr. 2009 Oct;21(5):825-43.
4. Lai CK , Yeung JH, Mok V, Chi I. Special care units for dementia individuals with behavioural problems.Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2009;(4):CD006470.
5. About Epistemonikos, Available at: https://www.epistemonikos.org/en/about_us/who_we_are (Accessed: 6th July 2017).
6. U.S. National Library of Medicine. Search Strategy Used to Create the Systematic Reviews Subset on PubMed. Available at: https://www.nlm.nih.gov/bsd/pubmed_subsets/sysreviews_strategy.html (Accessed: 6th July 2017).
Your first point addresses the poor negative predictive value of a TB symptom screening test. We agree that the symptom screen that is currently called for in South Africa’s national guidelines, as well as WHO’s guidelines, is inadequate in terms of both negative and positive predictive value. We do not have, and you do not propose, however, an easily-available alternative. We consulted a number of TB experts in designing the algorithm and concluded that at the time of study initiation, there was no readily available clinical prediction rule or point-of-care instrument that we could expect to be adopted at a national scale if the trial’s results are compelling. We also designed the study to adhere as closely as possible to existing national guidelines, with the main difference being the timing of the initiation process rather than its content. Our goal is an algorithm that can be incorporated into routine practice as simply as possible, in the hope of benefiting patients at a large scale.
We also observe that initiating ART in the presence of undiagnosed TB poses the risk of delayed TB treatment (which would have been delayed anyhow, due to the patient not having symptoms) or IRIS (which, while clinically occasionally challenging, is rarely fatal, especially in this group of ambulatory and largely healthy patients). We hypothesize that the well-characterized loss to follow-up and subsequent morbidity and mortal...
Your first point addresses the poor negative predictive value of a TB symptom screening test. We agree that the symptom screen that is currently called for in South Africa’s national guidelines, as well as WHO’s guidelines, is inadequate in terms of both negative and positive predictive value. We do not have, and you do not propose, however, an easily-available alternative. We consulted a number of TB experts in designing the algorithm and concluded that at the time of study initiation, there was no readily available clinical prediction rule or point-of-care instrument that we could expect to be adopted at a national scale if the trial’s results are compelling. We also designed the study to adhere as closely as possible to existing national guidelines, with the main difference being the timing of the initiation process rather than its content. Our goal is an algorithm that can be incorporated into routine practice as simply as possible, in the hope of benefiting patients at a large scale.
We also observe that initiating ART in the presence of undiagnosed TB poses the risk of delayed TB treatment (which would have been delayed anyhow, due to the patient not having symptoms) or IRIS (which, while clinically occasionally challenging, is rarely fatal, especially in this group of ambulatory and largely healthy patients). We hypothesize that the well-characterized loss to follow-up and subsequent morbidity and mortality due to delays in ART initiation will outweigh any benefit from an intensive investigation for sub-clinical TB (which you do not define, but is likely to be complex and not inexpensive, if utilising technology with high sensitivity such as Xpert MTB/RIF). We think the algorithm can easily be adapted to accommodate future objective tests that may supplement or replace the screening tests. However, even in the absence of these tests, we believe that a basic symptom screen that can be performed by nurses and requires no additional technology has high utility.
Regarding the sample size, you are correct that a high proportion of those who screen out of immediate ART initiation using SLATE will receive standard of care treatment and therefore are not likely to have improved outcomes compared to our control group. We anticipate the numbers who screen out will be lower than you suggest, and we calculated our original sample size using the best available data at that time. Still, you are correct that if the proportion screening out is higher than anticipated, we will have less power than anticipated. We recently increased our sample size in South Africa to 660 to allow for detection of smaller differences should they occur and to improve our ability to analyze those who screen out as a population in themselves.
Next, you suggest that we could shift randomization to after the SLATE screen. This would defeat the purpose of the algorithm entirely, as the point of the study is to test whether we can effectively screen out those who should not start on ART immediately, screen in provide efficient initiation to those who can, and improve overall outcomes for the population of patients who are eligible for ART (i.e. nearly all HIV-positive individuals not already on ART). If we took your suggestion and randomized after screening, we would be asking a very narrow question that lacks policy relevance—namely, does immediate ART initiation among a selected population that is already at low risk for poor outcomes have better outcomes if offered same day treatment compared to standard of care. We don’t believe this is the right question to ask.
Finally, with regard to your conclusion, we are responding to a pressing need for guidance on same day initiation, and we used WHO and other symptom screen algorithms and national guidelines to construct that algorithm. Algorithms are often constructed from imperfect science, and as you note, the perfect algorithm is not available. We would argue we have thoughtfully weighed the potential for harm against the need for public health clinics to move on a pressing health problem, and the only harm we can see in our approach (other than perhaps screening too many patients out with the screening tools, which does not disadvantage these patients, merely returns them to standard care) is a slightly increased risk of IRIS, which may in fact not differ from that in standard care.
We do agree that a better algorithm is needed. We are already discussing opportunities to improve on SLATE. The results of the SLATE study, when available, will guide us on the right way to go.
A sandwich won’t sway a doctor.
Milton Catelin
Chief Executive, Medicines Australia
Pharmaceutical companies and medical professionals collaborate on clinical research, share knowledge and support education to ensure that medicines are constantly improving and are used safely and appropriately by health care professionals and their patients.
Our members are proud of the work that we do to ensure that the public can continue to have confidence in our local medicines industry. We consider transparency to be a key component of the bond of trust with the Australian public.
Engagement with pharmaceutical companies is an important and legitimate part of a medical practitioner’s ongoing education; foremost, because patients want to be sure that their doctors know how to use the medicines they’re being prescribed.
The developers of these medicines are the highest authority on how a medicine works, its interactions with other compounds, its efficacy and other information. It stands to reason that a medical practitioner would consider information from the maker of the medicine when making an informed decision about prescribing a medicine. It’s not however, the only source. Medical practitioners do their own research, network with their peers, consult with other clinical experts, read independent medical journals and receive information from independent bodies such as NPS MedicineWise.
It’s ludicrous to suggest that a sandwich and a so...
A sandwich won’t sway a doctor.
Milton Catelin
Chief Executive, Medicines Australia
Pharmaceutical companies and medical professionals collaborate on clinical research, share knowledge and support education to ensure that medicines are constantly improving and are used safely and appropriately by health care professionals and their patients.
Our members are proud of the work that we do to ensure that the public can continue to have confidence in our local medicines industry. We consider transparency to be a key component of the bond of trust with the Australian public.
Engagement with pharmaceutical companies is an important and legitimate part of a medical practitioner’s ongoing education; foremost, because patients want to be sure that their doctors know how to use the medicines they’re being prescribed.
The developers of these medicines are the highest authority on how a medicine works, its interactions with other compounds, its efficacy and other information. It stands to reason that a medical practitioner would consider information from the maker of the medicine when making an informed decision about prescribing a medicine. It’s not however, the only source. Medical practitioners do their own research, network with their peers, consult with other clinical experts, read independent medical journals and receive information from independent bodies such as NPS MedicineWise.
It’s ludicrous to suggest that a sandwich and a soda water would sway the opinions of medical practitioners. Suggestions like the one published in the Conversation and in the BMJ article do nothing but undermine a patient’s confidence in a robust and accountable system, and call healthcare professionals into disrepute.
Moreover, when a doctor is working a 12 hour day, and uses their lunchbreak to inform themselves of the latest developments in medicines, it seems appropriate that they be provided with lunch.
It’s also important to note, the 18th Edition of the Medicines Australia Code of Conduct clearly states:
Any meals or beverages offered by companies to healthcare professionals must be secondary to the educational content. Meals and beverages must be appropriate for the educational content and duration of the meeting and should not be excessive.
The maximum cost of a meal (including beverages) provided by a company to a healthcare professional within Australia must not exceed $120 (excluding GST and gratuities).
This maximum would only be appropriate in exceptional circumstances, such as a dinner at a learned society conference with substantial educational content. In the majority of circumstances, the cost of a meal (including beverages) should be well below this figure.
For hospitality in association with overseas educational meetings this maximum and/or local guidelines should be used as a guide.
The Code of Conduct is the Australian benchmark for accountability and transparency reporting in the therapeutic goods sector. This is the same standard that pharmaceutical companies are held to in Europe, and significantly more detailed than industry self-regulation in the USA.
Medicines Australia members are proud of their Code of Conduct.
They have voluntarily submitted themselves to this significant transparency despite the fact that non-Medicines Australia members do not, that includes generic medicines manufacturers and the makers of medical devices. Our positive experience with increasing transparency of our members should stand as a beacon to others to join us on the journey.
A better informed patient has more confidence in the relationships between doctor and company. They are more likely to understand the value of these relationships in the development of better medicines and devices, including a doctor’s or patient’s participation in Australian-based clinical trials.
Australian patients should be assured that their medical practitioners are keeping up to date with the latest innovation in medicines and the sharing of knowledge so that medical practitioners can determine the best outcomes for their patients.
Dr Hughes raises an important point that we also address in discussing limitations of the study. We did not take meta-analyses into consideration that had combined studies with inactive treatments and treatment as usual (TAU) as control interventions. We based this decision primarily on methodological reasons. TAU varies widely across patients and settings and can include antidepressant or behavioral treatments. Therefore, equating TAU with placebo treatment or waiting list seemed problematic for us.
Nevertheless, Dr. Hughes’ point is well taken. TAU is an important reference standard, particularly in pragmatic studies because it reflects real-world conditions. In a meta-analysis, however, TAU is difficult to handle especially when the components of TAU across individual trials are not well documented. Using TAU in a meta-analysis often comes down to combining apples and oranges without being able to tell which treatments are the apples and which are the oranges.
Dr. Hughes also argues that patients on waiting lists cannot be prevented from getting some form of treatment. We agree but view this as a general issue of contamination that is almost impossible to control, particularly in pragmatic studies. The fact that, in our study, patients on active treatments had substantially larger treatment effects than those on waiting lists makes us think that contamination issues probably did not have much impact.
In the study you say:
"Although statins are known to reduce the risk of stroke by as much as 25%,38 benefits are undermined by suboptimal adherence. In a previous examination on patient perspectives around statin therapy, compliance with statins was associated with information provided during the practitioner consultation as well as the beliefs about cholesterol and current health status"
'As much as 25%'
The reference you give is to this paper:
Afilalo J , Duque G , Steele R , et al . Statins for secondary prevention in elderly patients: a hierarchical bayesian meta-analysis. J Am Coll Cardiol 2008;51:37–45.doi:10.1016/j.jacc.2007.06.063 FREE Full TextGoogle Scholar
The paper very clearly refers to RELATIVE RISK REDUCTION.
Read this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK63647/
In fact the ABSOLUTE RISK REDUCTION is about 1%
By stating 25% and NOT saying it is RRR you create a scare story for newspapers which creates stress for stroke survivors plus you mislead the public who think that by taking statins their risk of stroke falls by 25% which is simply not true.
Did you do so wilfully to fit a pharma-dictated criteria or were you just negligent?
We read with great interest the longitudinal study by Xie et al on the Risk of death among users of Proton Pump Inhibitors (PPI) (1). The study findings suggest that there is an overall increased risk of death among PPI users when compared with histamine H2 receptor antagonists (H2 blockers) users and people who are not on either medication. We also acknowledge the efforts of the authors to statistically eliminate potential bias associated with an observational study design like this. However, we would like to highlight a few points which we believe should be considered when interpreting the results of the study.
The authors externally adjusted for the use of other therapeutics including anticoagulants, antiplatelet agents, and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs as potential confounders. However, it is not clear if Selective Serotonin Receptor Inhibitors (SSRIs) used in the treatment of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) were considered and adjusted for. The Veteran population which forms the data set for this study has a higher prevalence of PTSD than the general population and is often prescribed SSRIs (2). The SSRIs are metabolized by the cytochrome P-450 isoenzyme CYP2C19, which is inhibited by the proton pump inhibitors (PPIs) leading to significantly higher levels of SSRIs in the body and potential risk of increased adverse effects (3). Some of the adverse effects of SSRIs including suicide risk could significantly contribute to mortality in the popu...
Show MoreYoshida et al. (1), comparing the PCAM with the INTERMED for the prediction of hospital length of stay (LOS), state (i) that the INTERMED “can be applied only to the secondary care setting” and (ii) is “relatively impractical” due to the length of the interview, and consider (iii) that the PCAM – with its “fewer items and simpler questions” – has “the potential to substitute for INTERMED”.
First, the INTERMED has been and is utilised in the tertiary (2), secondary (3) and primary care setting (4). Second, assessing case complexity may need some time and a certain number of questions; the questions raised with the INTERMED have been validated by patients as being relevant (5) and the interview as having a positive effect (6). If physicians’ time is the issue: the INTERMED has been demonstrated good inter-rater reliability across medical professions (7) and is utilised in some settings by nurses (3). In addition, a self-assessment version of the INTERMED (the IMSA), reducing the length of the interview, has been validated in a recent multi-centred study (8). Third, when comparing the INTERMED with other instruments assessing case complexity, not only prediction of LOS has to be taken into account. The INTERMED provides a thorough biopsychosocial case complexity assessment (9); it has – unlike the PCAM, as acknowledged by the authors – been proven to be valid across various clinical settings (10) and to predict, in these settings, psychosocial, medical and health care...
Show MoreDear Editor,
We thank Drs Burt, Rasminsky, Andrade, and Barros for their letters on our study published in BMJ Open in January 2017.1 We agree with them that our baseline prevalence of major malformations in the Quebec Pregnancy Cohort (QPC) is higher than the reported 3-5%. Bérard et Sheehy2 have described the QPC, and have presented baseline statistics showing that the baseline prevalence of major malformations in Quebec was 9.3%. We have disclosed that already in our Discussion section – ‘Our major congenital malformation population prevalence may seem somewhat higher than the routinely reported 3-5%, but in fact our rate is consistent with what is expected in the province of Quebec, due to high concentration of genetic risk factors stemming from the ‘founding’ French ancestors.’1,3 It is true that we are referencing another of our studies to highlight the Founders’ effect. Indeed, Zhao et al.3 have shown that the prevalence of major malformations in the province of Quebec vary by geographical regions, and are higher in the regions where the founding French ancestors first inhabited. This is a well know fact and is representative of specific genetic traits of those founding fathers. Again, this was well discussed and represented in Zhao et al.,3 and it is why we are referencing this study in Bérard et al.1 Bérard et al.1 further showed that the prevalence of major malformations among those with depression during pregnancy was even higher (greater than 11%). Howev...
Show MoreWe have read the article by Ooba N et al with interest. The authors have conducted a retrospective cohort study to assess the risk of new-onset diabetes associated with lipid-lowering drugs in Japanese population.
Authors have excluded patients with diabetes characterized by HbA1c ≥6.5% or fasting blood glucose ≥126 mg/dL. However, in Table 1 (Baseline characteristics), patients are not categorized based on their HbA1c or blood sugar fasting levels as pre-diabetic (HbA1C between 5.7 to 6.4) or normoglycemic. It is important to note that the risk of new-onset diabetes among lipid-lowering users is particularly high in pre-diabetic patients (1) and hence, authors should have categorized the patients as either pre-diabetic or normoglycemic. Looking at the mean HbA1c not more than 5.2% in various groups (Table 1), it appears that the number of patients with pre-diabetes were not high. This finding of normoglycemics converting rapidly into diabetes in a mean duration of 4 to 5 months of statin use points to the gravity of the problem of statin associated diabetes which will have huge implication in clinical practice, wherein a short exposure to statins (4 to 5 months) can have the risk of shifting glucose homeostasis towards diabetes. Unlike other previous studies, wherein pitavastatin use was not associated with adverse effects on glycemic control (2, 3, 4), in this study, the risk of new-onset diabetes was highest with pitavastatin (HR-3.11). Authors should comment o...
Show MoreWe acknowledge of course that the pharmaceutical industry produces many medicines that are an important part of healthcare. However, inappropriate use and overuse of medicines is detrimental to health, and use of an unnecessarily expensive medicine that is no better than a cheaper alternative represents wasteful health care spending.
Although Mr. Catelin states “It’s ludicrous to suggest that a sandwich and a soda water would sway the opinions of medical practitioners”, the evidence shows otherwise. Among the studies that have examined the relationship between exposure to pharmaceutical industry information or payments and the quality, quantity and cost of prescribing, there is an overwhelming finding of no benefit. (1-4) Pharmaceutical industry payments, even small payments such as a meal, are associated with increased prescriptions of the promoted drug. One US study found a “dose-response effect” on prescribing of cholesterol-lowering drugs, blood pressure drugs and antidepressants, starting with even a single meal costing less than US $20: the more free meals a doctor ate, the more likely they were to prescribe the promoted drug. (2) Another study found that the more payments a doctor received from the industry, the more likely they were to prescribe expensive brand-name drugs rather than less expensive generic equivalents. (4)
The aim of our study was neither to undermine patients’ confidence nor to call health professionals into disrepute. The aim was...
Show MoreWe have read the article, “Systematic review of systematic reviews of non-pharmacological interventions to treat behavioral disturbances in older patients with dementia. The SENATOR-OnTop series” by Abraha et al. published in BMJ Open in March 2017 with a lot of interest. This systematic review study presents very important findings on the use of non-pharmacological interventions to treat behavioral disturbances in elderly dementia population.
However, we have a specific concern about the database searched and relevant articles included in this systematic review of systematic reviews study. An important omission we found in this study was the systematic review by Kong et al.1 published in Aging & Mental Health Journal in July 2009. This systematic review and meta-analysis assessed the effectiveness of the nonpharmacological interventions for agitation in the older adults with dementia. It qualifies all the criteria for inclusion in the present study since it is published within the range of search duration (2009-2015 March) used in the present study. Furthermore, the present study has included the systematic reviews by Yu et al.2 published in March 2009 along with other systematic reviews such as Kverno et al.3 and Lai et al.4 published in the same year.
Also, the systematic review by Kong et al.1 assessed the effect on agitation (a type of behavioral disturbance) not assessed by many of the other systematic reviews included in the present study hence m...
Show MoreDear Tom,
Thank you for your comments.
Your first point addresses the poor negative predictive value of a TB symptom screening test. We agree that the symptom screen that is currently called for in South Africa’s national guidelines, as well as WHO’s guidelines, is inadequate in terms of both negative and positive predictive value. We do not have, and you do not propose, however, an easily-available alternative. We consulted a number of TB experts in designing the algorithm and concluded that at the time of study initiation, there was no readily available clinical prediction rule or point-of-care instrument that we could expect to be adopted at a national scale if the trial’s results are compelling. We also designed the study to adhere as closely as possible to existing national guidelines, with the main difference being the timing of the initiation process rather than its content. Our goal is an algorithm that can be incorporated into routine practice as simply as possible, in the hope of benefiting patients at a large scale.
We also observe that initiating ART in the presence of undiagnosed TB poses the risk of delayed TB treatment (which would have been delayed anyhow, due to the patient not having symptoms) or IRIS (which, while clinically occasionally challenging, is rarely fatal, especially in this group of ambulatory and largely healthy patients). We hypothesize that the well-characterized loss to follow-up and subsequent morbidity and mortal...
Show MoreA sandwich won’t sway a doctor.
Milton Catelin
Chief Executive, Medicines Australia
Pharmaceutical companies and medical professionals collaborate on clinical research, share knowledge and support education to ensure that medicines are constantly improving and are used safely and appropriately by health care professionals and their patients.
Our members are proud of the work that we do to ensure that the public can continue to have confidence in our local medicines industry. We consider transparency to be a key component of the bond of trust with the Australian public.
Engagement with pharmaceutical companies is an important and legitimate part of a medical practitioner’s ongoing education; foremost, because patients want to be sure that their doctors know how to use the medicines they’re being prescribed.
The developers of these medicines are the highest authority on how a medicine works, its interactions with other compounds, its efficacy and other information. It stands to reason that a medical practitioner would consider information from the maker of the medicine when making an informed decision about prescribing a medicine. It’s not however, the only source. Medical practitioners do their own research, network with their peers, consult with other clinical experts, read independent medical journals and receive information from independent bodies such as NPS MedicineWise.
It’s ludicrous to suggest that a sandwich and a so...
Show MoreDr Hughes raises an important point that we also address in discussing limitations of the study. We did not take meta-analyses into consideration that had combined studies with inactive treatments and treatment as usual (TAU) as control interventions. We based this decision primarily on methodological reasons. TAU varies widely across patients and settings and can include antidepressant or behavioral treatments. Therefore, equating TAU with placebo treatment or waiting list seemed problematic for us.
Nevertheless, Dr. Hughes’ point is well taken. TAU is an important reference standard, particularly in pragmatic studies because it reflects real-world conditions. In a meta-analysis, however, TAU is difficult to handle especially when the components of TAU across individual trials are not well documented. Using TAU in a meta-analysis often comes down to combining apples and oranges without being able to tell which treatments are the apples and which are the oranges.
Dr. Hughes also argues that patients on waiting lists cannot be prevented from getting some form of treatment. We agree but view this as a general issue of contamination that is almost impossible to control, particularly in pragmatic studies. The fact that, in our study, patients on active treatments had substantially larger treatment effects than those on waiting lists makes us think that contamination issues probably did not have much impact.
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